Fri, 11/13/2009 - 1:51pm - Posted by: Lisarae

Rather judgmental of you to call me uneducated, Darthur8r..
Do you know me?? No you do not.

"You will know them (my ppl) by the FRUIT of they're spirit." -Jesus, Matthew 7:16
Biblical knowledge is the only true lasting knowledge.

Tue, 11/10/2009 - 5:11pm - Posted by: manup1111

S.Dickey

Wed, 11/04/2009 - 11:06pm - Posted by: darth_r8rFUNNY BIG BROTHER DELETED WHAT I SAID TO Lisarae...I'LL SAY IT AGAIN...YOUR AN IDIOT...ARE A PART OF THE POTTY HOUSE

Wed, 11/04/2009 - 2:41pm - Posted by: fishnmanThere's no reasoning with people who lack common sense. These Potter House fools

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:57pm - Posted by: braveTruth Encounter wrote "You busters must not have a life if all you do is spend you're time on the computer. ... P.S. you chumps probably still live at home with your mommy. If not you're still lame.

This is resorting to name calling? On both parts? Not christian of any of you- and there's more I just got bored looking for them.

Like I stated it's not ABOUT religion since one of the rights as AMERICANS IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

It's about tactics. The ENFORCEMENT of ideas upon those who were not well informed of the intent.

They can believe what they want and so can the rest of the world, but when they try to ENFORCE thier ideas they become a nuisance, a pest, a plague if you will.

I have a little love and a lot of respect for a particlar couple that patrons the PH, but I will never (again) step foot into that building again. It's not that I am possessed or overtaken by the devil as they may like to believe- but I simply disagree with what they portray.

If anyone that goes to PH can tell you without a doubt that they DON'T use some shady tactics to entice the vulnerable they are lying, but really how different is it in other churches? I once went to a gym who claimed I could have the perfect body by joining. I joined and it didn't happen- shady tactics I tell ya.

To Lisa Rae: You can't deny that it used to happen (the munchies), so don't try to sugar coat it. YOU know I know enough about your church to make my own informed decision, so please don't try to talk down to me. I have told your other half in the past that he is more then welcome to talk religion with me, and when he can satisfactorily answer my questions with any other comment then "faith", I might have a change of heart. Hope you both are well, and keep up the fight it amuses me too.

Thu, 11/05/2009 - 12:16am - Posted by: darth_r8r

Lisarae ...why is it that when people find that they cant handle drugs and alcohol anymore they turn to somekind of god?...honestly...i cant wait to hear this..and WTH is a righteous fruit?...HYSTERICAL

Thu, 11/05/2009 - 12:06am - Posted by: darth_r8r

FUNNY BIG BROTHER DELETED WHAT I SAID TO Lisarae...I'LL SAY IT AGAIN...YOUR AN IDIOT...YOU R WITH THE WRONG CHURCH AND YOU TALK ALOT OF SMACK 4 AN UNEDUCATED PERSON...NO WONDER YOU ARE A PART OF THE POTTY HOUSE,,,HERES A LINK I THINK CAN HELP YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELONG TO THAT LOST CHURCH http://www.temple420.org/ http://www.temple420.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t666.html http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17594/congregation-of-christians-jews-us...

Wed, 11/04/2009 - 3:41pm - Posted by: fishnman

There's no reasoning with people who lack common sense. These Potter House fools actually believe this is religious persecution. Wow. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Good luck to you.

I understand that you honestly believe you are doing right and for that I applaud you. However as I recall, Heavens Gate believed what they were doing was right as well. Dont know about them? Look it up and prepare to be amazed.

The end does not justify the means kids, and soon enough you will learn that. As for standing out in the street every weekend, I encourage you to do that. I know the police are just waiting for you guys to cross the line and take the appropriate action. Freedom of speech only goes so far.

Fri, 11/13/2009 - 1:20pm - Posted by: Lisarae

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Tue, 11/03/2009 - 2:25pm - Posted by: Lisarae

I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS & OPINIONS ON THIS ARTICLE. FREE PUBLICITY!!
We had the biggest turn out Yet! Many lives touched by the gospel.
I am very proud & honored to be a member & a part of what The Potter's House is doing.
Our focus is to "reach the lost." We aren't interested in attracting Christians from other churches with our "nice kids programs" so we can fill our seats. Our focus is winning lost souls to Jesus Christ. That they might live for him & know him. We want to let the single Mom hooked on Meth, with four kids by five different daddy's cuz she got one on the way, know Jesus loves her & can set her on a new path.
We are simply obeying the great commission. "Go out & preach the gospel to every tongue & every nation."

If you would ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins. He will wash away everything you've ever done."Thrown in the sea of forgetfulness never to be remembered again." & make you a new creation. The bible calls it "Being born again."

My name is Lisa. In school I was a crazy girl. Known for smoking pot & partying every weekend.
When all the sin, & things this world says will satisfy you, got old. I started thinking, "there's gotta be more to life than this"?
I began asking God to make himself real to me.(cuz I had grown up hearing about God)
& He answered my prayer. He started putting ppl in my life who He had touched. & I prayed the sinners prayer. At that moment my eyes were opened. "I once was blind but know I see"
A year later I started asking God to put me in a church & he lead me to the Potter's House. & now, almost 10yrs later, I am on a path that leads to righteousness. Rather than a path of destruction.
I thank God for my church TPHC where the Gospel isn't watered down, sugar coated, nothing added, & nothing taken away.
We seek to reach the lost, down & out, ppl without hope.
THAT IS WHY THE Devil APPOSES US SO ADAMANTLY.
THAT IS WHY THE Devil CALLS OUR CHURCH A CULT.
That accusation is spoken in ignorance. If you knew the ppl in our church you would see that they have righteous fruit & are just trying to do something for God.
We aren't perfect.
Only Jesus walked on water & lived a life without sin.
But we strive to live the commission. & walk as Jesus walked.

Thank you for your time.
Next year we will be sure to step it up a notch!! We really missed you protesters!!
Have a Lovely Day!, ~lisa

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:49pm - Posted by: guesswho

Dear PHK's,

 God does not need you to defend Him. Do what God has called you to do. Preach the Gospel.. people will either receive it or reject it, but that is between them and Him. 

Do you sincerely believe that you are correctly representing Jesus Christ by lowering yourself to name calling and arrogant childlike remarks? Get a grip.. It's not all about you! Take a moment to think about the people that God has called you to and the influence your words have.

I appreciate the testimonies of lives changed by the power of God. I know that we are human and that we can allow ourselves to be carried away emotionally. I am glad to see that there is the humility present to recognize and admit when you have made an error as is demonstrated in Truth Encounter's apology.  Here's something to think about. 

"It is written" in 1 Peter 4:11 
If any man speak, [let him speak] as the oracles of God; if any man minister, [let him do it] as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 4:54pm - Posted by: MsTeresa

So what's the verdict? lol
Who actually went to this thing?
and how did it go?

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 3:23pm - Posted by: urstruely

kathleen blair... seriously ? ur gonna make me cry why u gotta pick on silly illiterate special snowflakes? sniff sniff... haha.. oh man it was a good laugh tho thanks:) i may be illiterate but at least im going to heaven. oh yeah and just as a side note... ktho helllo its the potters house ur dealing with... and apparently your obsessed with us so u should know this...this is just what we do. And were definitely not gonna stop...were radicals for jesus. I dont know how much more open and out on the streets you can get than potters house so obviously were not trying to hide a thing... but if thats really how you feel i would be more than happy to try and get us outside the four walls waaaay more often :) maybe we can get TRUTH ENCOUNTER out on the street every sat ...putting ur mind at ease. testing ur inner bean...seeing whats stopping u from actually livin...haha:)!

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 2:49pm - Posted by: TRUTH ENCOUNTER

I apologize, ok everyone off the computer and back to work. It's over.

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 2:24pm - Posted by: carlrye

TRUTH ENCOUNTER your not a very good representitife of your group.

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 1:57pm - Posted by: brave

Truth Encounter wrote "You busters must not have a life if all you do is spend you're time on the computer. ... P.S. you chumps probably still live at home with your mommy. If not you're still lame. And yes before I gave my life to Jesus I used to be a gangster and beat up trash talkers like you, Thank God i'm saved, HA."

Wow, Truth Encounter, your post is stunning in its hypocrisy. You claim to be saved, yet you use your words to hurt others. Yes, I realize many of these posts have been in opposition to your brand of religion, but really -- haven't you at least heard of "turn the other cheek"??? Get out your Bible and re-read Matthew 5.

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 2:47pm - Posted by: TRUTH ENCOUNTER

I apologize, ok everyone off the computer and back to work.

Sun, 11/01/2009 - 11:02pm - Posted by: justhere

In reply to cristig post. Not allowing someone to leave should be kidnapping! Thats holding someone agains their will. I would have reported them!

Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:43pm - Posted by: ktho

The following information on the Potter's House is found at http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c105.html

I offer it as a starting place for people to personally investigate Potter's House

Yr. Obed. Scrvnr,
Kathleen Blair
McMinnville
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Christian Fellowship Ministries (CFM) - aka: *Potter's House,* The Door, Victory Chapel

Christian Fellowship Ministries (CFM) - originally called Victory Chapel - operates a worldwide network of churches under the names "The Door" (not the satirical Christian magazine published by The Trinity Foundation) "Potter's House" (not TD Jakes' church), "Grace Chapel," "Praise Chapel," "La Puerta," "Evangeliegemeente De Deur" (Netherlands) and others.

Beliefs:

The network of churches appears to adhere to an orthodox Christian theology with a decidedly Pentecostal/Charismatic bend (see, for example, these Statements of FaithOff-site Link, as posted at the website of The Potter's House, Carson City, Nevada). Kathleen's Note: Broken link

The Christian Research Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Research_Institute) does note:

[T]heir exercise of certain gifts do not follow the biblical pattern as set forth in I Corinthians 12 and 14. In a typical Potter's House worship service, tongues are exercised in unison by the entire congregation generally with no interpretation following. The Scriptures teach, on the other hand, that biblical tongues in a congregational setting must be followed by two or three interpreting for the sake of the edification of the body of Christ and as a sign for the unbeliever (1 Cor. 14:22-33). As with the Assemblies of God, the Potter's House teaches that tongues is the "initial evidence" of the "baptism of the Holy Spirit."

The Potter's House has an aberrant view of healing as well. A "come get your miracle" mentality exists which creates an expectancy level which, when not met, is devastating to the young Christian who expected God to meet his needs and is let down hard.** [CRI's position of divine healing is that God can and will heal if He so chooses and that the believer may seek God for healing (James 5:14,15; 1 John 5:14,15) but there is no guarantee that He will heal.]
Source: The Potter's HouseOff-site Link Statement by the Christian Research Institute

Cultic Behavior:

That said, there are persistent reports from former members (including former pastors) regarding spiritual abuse and sociologically cultic behavior.

A testimony regarding this movement was included in Ronald Enroth's book, Churches That Abuse.

Watchman Fellowship, in its Index of Cults and Religions, writes:

Potter’s House, Wayman Mitchell, Prescott, AZ: Originally called Victory Chapel, churches affiliated with Mitchell go under the names Praise Chapel, The Door, Grace Chapel, The Christian Fellowship, La Capilla de la Victory, La Casa Del Alfarero, and La Puerta. Begun in 1970, Mitchell has over 1,000 churches in 73 countries including Mexico, South America, Australia, Europe, and the Philippines. Numerous former members have alleged mind control and authoritarian/abusive leadership, and the group was the focus of a CBS News 48 Hours investigative report. Mitchell’s churches are not affiliated with the Potter’s House in Dallas, TX, pastored by T. D. Jakes. Also, The Door is not affiliated with the religious satire magazine by the same name.
Source: Index of Cults and Religions Watchman Fellowship

In December, 2001, Charisma News reported:

A second major exodus has taken place from a controversial network of churches criticized for authoritarian leadership. Up to 160 of the Potter's House movement's 800-odd congregations are said to have left the group recently.

Officially called Christian Fellowship Ministries (CFM), the Potter's House network was started in 1983 by Wayman Mitchell. A Prescott, Ariz., pastor, Mitchell broke away from the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel to launch his own movement, placing a strong emphasis on evangelism. Most of the group's churches are to be found in the Southwest, where they also go under the names The Door and Victory Chapel.

Some of the pastors who broke ranks recently are apparently upset by the direction CFM appears to be headed. There are also claims that Mitchell - whose movement has long been dogged by criticism that it is controlling, intimidating and manipulative - routinely uses foul language and derogatory remarks in the pulpit.

Mitchell declined to comment to "Charisma" magazine, but Harold Warner, a longtime CFM associate who pastors a church in Tucson, Ariz., said that Mitchell was not the sort of man many of his critics have portrayed him to be. "He is a good, strong leader," he said. "We are given great freedom to pursue our ministry, and it isn't this horribly oppressive atmosphere."

The Potter's House was hit by large-scale defections 10 years ago. When Colorado pastor Ron Jones, who had worked with Mitchell since the early 1970s, severed his ties in 1990, around 100 pastors followed him.

Larry Neville, a pastor who worked with Mitchell for 13 years until 1991, said that because CFM leaders were encouraged to aggressively plant churches, the departure of a few pastors who disagree with Mitchell could lead to a large number of churches leaving the movement.

The exodus was more an issue of churches' loyalty to their founding pastor than one of disagreement with Mitchell, he said. It was about "a personal relationship with someone they love." Mitchell said that around 100 of the 160 churches reported to have left CFM recently did so because of their loyalty to one pastor.

Bryan Hupperts, who was part of Potter's House for several years and was at one stage being groomed to become a CFM pastor, said that many pastors who left the movement did so because of unhealthy control and were later reluctant to talk about their experiences.

"Some of them have family in the Potter's House," he said. "They'll end up getting targeted. They can be pretty vicious." One former leader said there were families divided by departures from the movement who had not spoken for years, and "churches that have been deliberately split, children who don't talk to their parents."

Neville said there had been a move of God in CFM in the past, but over time the group moved into isolationism. "They're not sinning, but they're not moving on." Warner said that those pastors who left CFM recently were "people who have gone in a different direction."
Source: Charisma News Update Dec. 4, 2001

Cult?

Though a cult of Christianity is determined primarily theologically - by its denial of one or more of the essential teachings of the Christian faith - a wider definition takes actions and practices into account as well.

A movement that appears theologically sound with regard to the central doctrines of Christianity, but whose actions and practices are - sociologically - cultic in nature, can still be considered a cult of Christianity (e.g. International Churches of Christ).

Is is not clear whether the cultic tendencies noted in some CFM-churches are present in all of the movement's churches throughout the world.

We advise those who are involved in churches affiliated with Christian Fellowship Ministries (as well as concerned friends and family members) to:

* Read: Is Your Church Free from Cultic Tendencies?

* Study the characteristics of cults

* Read up on spiritual abuse. Suggested books include:

o Healing Spiritual Abuse, by Ken Blue

o The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse by David Johnson, Jeff Vanvonderen.

o Twisted Scriptures by Mary Alice Chrnalogar

o Grace Plus Nothing by Jeff Harkin

• Articles
Christian Examining The Potter's House, by MacGregor Ministries
Secular A Fellowship of Fear By Sean Polay, Cape Cod Times, December 10-13, 1995
Christian Is it a cult? An article at the late Jan Groenveld's site
Christian The Potter's Statement by the Christian Research Institute

» Collection of articles at the Slam The Door! website

Sun, 11/01/2009 - 12:15pm - Posted by: cristig

I believe there are alot of people not understanding what we as parents were trying to say in regards to the so called "Haunted House". We didn't have a problem just not going. It was an issue because we were lied to. A teenage girl who is a friend of ours was trapped inside and forced to stay and watch these horrific videos. Even when it is shown in schools, parents are warned and permission slips are sent home so parents can make informed decisions, based on facts , not lies and cruel intentions.

Sun, 11/01/2009 - 12:21am - Posted by: danielle

to: justhere

re: "AND WHY CITY COUNCIL lets these people parade downtown and make our city look like a bunch a wacked out freaks is beyond me!"

He/she must be referring to the alien days parade?!??!

Must be....

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 7:45pm - Posted by: ktho

urstruely - you're making excuses for wanting to be thugs, special little snowflakes, and asshats. Oh yeah, *and* you're illiterate.

How about you go back to school, stand up straight, brush your teeth, comb your hair, eat your vegetables and stop being public nuisances and juvenile delinquents hiding behind your own mentally ill idea of what Christ's Love is. The way you are presenting it, it isn't anything to do with Jesus and everything to do with how special you want to be.

You're just so weak in your own lack of authentic faith that you have to try to deceive people into listening to what amounts to your own neuroses. If you really thought you were doing the right thing, you advertise *exactly* what is in that "haunted house." But you don't.

If you really believed in an trusted God, you wouldn't feel the need to try to do his job for Him. You're not trying to save anyone, you're just hiding behind a cult in order to create mayhem and mind rape with a license.

Stop being tools for modern day Elmer Gantry's. Geez what tools.

Kathleen Blair
McMinnville

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 7:06pm - Posted by: urstruely

myyy goodnessss what a mess;0 ! ha... i find it funny that so many people are so shocked at what the potters house has presented in there haunted house, when all you have to do is turn on your tv or maybe watch a trailer of a horror movie for just a second and you'll see more gore in that 5 min than what you will see in this haunted house. Sorry to say but most kids MOST not all...are really not as sheltered as you would like to think. Most teenagers have seen far worse than anything that is shown at the potters house haunted house. This haunted house doesnt even compare to what is on the screens in movie theaters and other haunted houses where they depict graphic scenes of murder sex and gore...so you tell me why your not out there protesting outside movies theaters?? Or why your not ranting and raging on other haunted houses? I really believe it has nothing to do with you thinking its to intense or to much violence for your innocent teenager its just the simple fact that you don like the potters house and the message we continually bring, and that is that your a sinner and need jesus. Jesus was a radical like it or not. and all they are tryin to do is be as much like the savior as they can possibly get..i applaud them... sometimes the only thing that will win someone to christ is harsh reality. Especially young people. A scare tactic? maybe but were willing to leave someone offended if that means that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt they heard truth. and were given an opportunity to repent, and that we did all we could. Thats what made me realize i need Jesus the reality that if i dont get saved i go to hell. Besides Its not our goal to cause conflict or to piss people off, if we had it our way that would never happen. But the truth is... truth always will. Because the message of Jesus is completely counter culture. So of course its gonna offend, and i am perfectly okay with that. There are desperate and needy people, murders, rapes, abuse, kidnappings happening every day by the hundreds, and the all were doing is trying our best to bring hope to a dying world. Save maybe a few young girls from a lifestyle that would lead them to a world of reget. Save maybe just a few people from getting hooked on drugs. Save a marriage from falling apart. Save maybe a few from hell...and if we can do that, that as far as im concerned were doing what Jesus called us to do. and That is bring the gospel to all nations of the world. And so far its working...wonderfully. So tell me what are you doing to help our young people? .... REPRESENT POTTERS HOUSE JEAH!!!

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 6:24pm - Posted by: ktho

carlrye said:

"ktho because of all the talk I will go and see for myself. But it does not change my belief that you can just not go. That is your right. "

I wasn't taking issue with that point - I agree in principal. However, teenagers who are not warned in advance don't have the information they need to choose to go or not. That is what I take issue with. If Potty House had a sign up saying: Haunted House - abortions and suicides depicted" then I'd agree - caveat emptore.

carlrye said:

"And if the old man in the above pic intimidates you than I think you should manup. I have never cared about the size of a person I am not intimidated and if anyone wants to leave I say just do it."

I wasn't saying the old guy on the street intimidated me. I don't know if he was one of the operators of the haunted house or not, but the description given was of a 6' plus young man in his late teens to early 20's - burly and exhibiting authoritarian and intimidating body language.

I suspect you and I, carlrye, are much the same way. :) If I'd been told I wasn't allowed to leave, or even if it had been implied, it would have become a moral imperative to prove the guy wrong. I don't allow people to intimidate me anymore. But that's the way I am now as a former Marine at age more-than-39-and-less-than-Methusela. ;)

When I was 13, I was a "good girl," reared up to defer to adults, behave nicely, not argue, and to obey authority. I certainly would have been reluctant to challenge a big burly guy guarding the door, but I'd like to think that I'd least have tried to claw him up if he'd laid a hand on me. Of course, I wasn't allowed to go to haunted houses when I was 13, and my parent's knew where I was *every second*, who I was with, and what we were up to. They had the advantage of a small town of barely 2500 people to keep them informed, where everyone knew each other for the last 5 generations and your business was also everyone else's.

And when I was 13, I can tell you for a fact, if these Potty Housers had wandered into town and tried to pull stunts like this, the adults would have quietly, politely but firmly, invited them to leave town the first time - not let it go on another year.

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 3:50pm - Posted by: guesswho

Samantha, you make me chuckle!

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 11:19am - Posted by: NatetheGreat

The Potter's house is a CULT. Just google them and see what comes up. How many churches have you seen without any windows? That's just creepy. Jesus didn't scare people into believing in him. All you potter's house freaks should read Romans 14 before you go and try to scare a bunch of little kids tonight.

PARENTS: I dare you to walk through that freak show while your kids wait outside. There's no way you'll send them in there after you see what's going on.

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 9:14am - Posted by: manup1111

S.Dickey

Did you click on the WIKIPEDIA link and even read it CARLRYE? Like many holiday traditions, Christianity stepped their foot in the door and changed what it was really about to suit their purposes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

The point isn't even religion but rather the tactics used.

I have seen many people say you can leave, your an adult. What about the children entering thinking they are in line for a "haunted house"? The PH uses music concerts, free munchies, and "something to do" to attract the kids of this town. If they can just get them in the door the rest is pie. Our kids are so bored in this town who wouldn't want to go to something advertised as a "free concert"?

As the church quickly tries to befriend these kids coming in they make it equally as difficult for them to leave.

Bottom line, educate YOUR kids. If this is something you don't agree with steer clear of that part of third street. If you hear a bunch of yelling at the next city parade, turn and run before you get stuck in an unknowing crowd who is forced to listen to the rantings of these cult members, because they come in on an off street and block a quick exit. Cover your childs ears and eyes while they parade a near naked, bloodied man on a giant cross through our beloved third street. Turn up your ipod as they scream as you are trying to leave that you are going to hell for not standing there and watching their monstrous behavior.

Doesn't seem quite fair now does it?

Curious if the police would step in if a group of demonstrators used the same tactics in the middle of third but instead of burning in hell they were screaming about racism, homosexuality, the right to porno, or any other "touchy" subject.

Leave the religion in the church, leave Halloween alone!

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 8:20am - Posted by: Gottatellya

Gottatellya
Perhaps there should be a word limit on comments posted..??..I am not affiliated with the Potters House, however, I am a born again Christian...We all have a free will and make choices in our lives, some for good, some for evil...My point being, you have a choice whether to attend or not...Thanks...

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 10:33pm - Posted by: carlrye

ktho because of all the talk I will go and see for myself. But it does not change my belief that you can just not go. That is your right. And if the old man in the above pic intimidates you than I think you should manup. I have never cared about the size of a person I am not intimidated and if anyone wants to leave I say just do it.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 10:09pm - Posted by: ktho

I'm calling on the minsterial community from all of the mainline churches in McMinnville, to go into the Potter's House haunted house and see for yourselves, and then ask yourself if this is the kind of Christian message you can agree with. If not, please use your pulpits accordingly.

To the Teenagers:

Kids - these folks will preach Jesus at you and will attempt to guilt you just like your parents do, except the Potty House will also try to intimidate you into joining their church and not leaving. They will try to scare you into submitting to them and into believing and thinking as they do. They will get all over you, get in your face, preach Jesus at you, threaten you with Hell, and tell you what to do and what to believe.

What a crappy way to spend Halloween. I don't know about you, but when I was a teenager, I'd rather have spent Halloween with my friends having fun, rather than have to listen to my parents - on steroids.

The Potty House are going to accomplish this by lying and false advertising. What they call a haunted house is in reality a force-fed show of bloody abortions, wife beatings, and suicides, with all the suffering, crying, gore, implied guilt, and outright accusations.

And that is the main complaint I have and that most of these posters here have. If the Potty House are so damned convinced that they are doing the right thing the right way, how come they don't have it for public viewing *on* Third Street, rather than hidden away inside? After all, free speech is not limited to the inside of churches. It is also protected *outside.* So, if they aren't doing anything wrong, why are they trying to hide it and lie about it?

I am oath bound to defend everyone's Constitutional right to freedom of religion, from Christian, to Muslim, to Druid, and all points in between. So, if the Potty House People want to indulge in this weird nihilistic mutual-masturbation in the privacy of their own coven, or cult, or whatever, that is their right to do. What I am *not* oath-bound to do is defend trickery, false advertising, lying, manipulation, terrorism, assault, false imprisonment and unlawful detainer, intimidation, trickery, weapons of mass emotional & psychic destruction, and kiddie porn in the guise of "Christianity."

So in the interests of transparency and full-disclosure, here is a documented eyewitness account of last year's Potty House, provided by an attorney who is trained to observe and think objectively.

There is only one way in and one way out - it's like a cattle chute. Everything is very dark and draped in black so you can't see if there are exits or not. Large men are the conductors and the enforcers.

You are led to a theater space with a round rotating stage, which is what you are seated on. The stage rotates and each grisly scene is lighted up in turn, but all else round you remains dark and hard to see. You are *not* in control and are not allowed to be in control. They have you under their total control.

There is a very graphic scene of an abortion being conducted, and at one point they pull a baby (doll) out of the basket and it is dripping in "blood". It is very graphic and is meant to accuse you of baby killing and to make you think you are a horrible person, even if you've done nothing wrong.

There is a very graphic scene of a man mercilessly beating his wife - it just goes on and on and on and she is bloodied up something fierce.

There is a very graphic scene of a suicide where a boy puts his head in an oven then you hear a "pop" and then you see blood and guts on the walls. A mixed metaphor to be sure. One would think that an oven with a pop would result in a fire, because that's what the old gas ovens did. Perhaps the Potty People just figured they couldn't handle the pyrotechnics of a real gas stove fire without burning down the establishment, and went for the gore of a gunshot wound to the head because it creates stronger emotional responses. Not only does this endorse abuse of firearms, it indirectly accuses you of being driven to suicide and going to Hell if you don't submit to them and obey them and join their cult. Submit and obey, is the order of the day.

There is a very large intimidating guy 6 feet tall or more, standing by the *only* visible exit. The witness was a grown woman, but even she was not sure she would be allowed to leave and was very certain that any teenager, particularly girls, would certainly assume they could not leave. Only men staffed the inside of the haunted house.

The two girls who were upset last year and wanted to leave were *not* allowed to leave. That is called unlawful detainer. They did *not* go into create a disruption. The Potty House thugs created the disruption when they unlawfully detained the *minors.* They were intimidated and threatened with Hell if they did not stay, and were made to understand that they would be prevented from leaving if they tried. That is called assault, unlawful detainer, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Once the gruesome blood & guts show is over, people are herded out another cattle-chute which is the only exit, to the parking lot in back of the building. There they are then immediately accosted by a gauntlet of the Potty House "moms" and kids with cookies wanting to talk them all into saving themselves by joining the church. So you have to try to get past all these people and out of the parking lot in order to relieve the incessant bullying, adrenaline assault, and terrorism. This attorney was sitting next to a man who described himself as a Conservative pro-Lifer and he said he found this to be an abomination.

The only reasonable explanation of this kind of precious little snowflake ass-hattery is that the Potty House people are Faith-challenged. They don't trust God to tend to His business properly, and they want to be sure it gets done the way *they* think it ought to get done. The hubris and blasphemy are breathtaking, and "Pride goeth before the fall."

If they really believed that time was short then they'd personally every man-jack of them be putting up $500K surety bonds to personally adopt all the babies they think should get born, making sure they are supported in order to be prepared for Heaven, and asking for weekly inspections from the Child Welfare Authorities.

They'd personally be putting up $500K surety bonds to go into violent homes, rescue the women and children, build them houses to live in, support them financially, and asking for weekly inspections from the Child Welfare Authorities.

If they really were reading their Bibles, rather than abusing them as percussion instruments of torture and terrorism, they'd know that Jesus was not anti-Catholic (as are the Potty House), was silent on abortion and homosexuality, and taught by gentle parable leaving people to either follow or not, but never frightened them or harangued them to come into His Father's House.

But oh no. Picking on frightened vulnerable teenagers not even their own size is so much more fun and makes them feel so special and powerful. Which is the real reason they are at this. They are all losers and need to vampirically suck off and destroy the happiness of others. Particularly other peoples' vulnerable teenage children.

Okay Carlrye, how about you get yourself into that haunted house, see it for yourself, and then decide, before you lecture people about just not going. These people are a plague on our community.

And how about everybody using their real names rather than anonymous handles. You have to use your real name to get a letter published in the print copy. Why not the electronic copy too?

To see videos of Potty House tactics, watch these videos at YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NN8C8JB9m8&feature=related At the 6:40 minute mark you'll see a girl, bloodied crotch just after an abortion - this is what Potty House is subjecting children to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOR-WJC4LoU The Potty House segment starts at 3:39 minute mark. At the 4:53 minute mark a woman was raped in the Potty House and the minister ordered her to keep her mouth shut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7vkxGhxkek At the 3:48 minute mark her testimony about her rape which happened when she was 16, at the Potty House, begins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkI9gu-jSgE&feature=related At the: 40 mark her mother begins to talk about what happened

http://www.voiceofwarning.net/ The rest of the Geraldo series, as well as other reports on Potty House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jzh6kARoGs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTthf_9FqQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hvHOJNxzhM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZejnHLhrc

Yr. Obed. Scrvnr.

Kathleen Blair
McMinnville

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 9:37pm - Posted by: Eric

Wow replying in all caps is an indication that he's high on some illegal drug. Oh yeah, that's because he's a member of the Pot House. Plus he has all those funny letters that he puts himself up on a pedestal, and says F*@# you when he's there. Sad to see him do that.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 6:47pm - Posted by: justhere

Like I said, Linfield is raising money for the food banks and im sure it will be much more fun! I believe its Oct 31st from 6 to 10 PM!!!! People should be giving Linfield the publicity! Atleast they are actually doing something for this community!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 3:09pm - Posted by: larshinkley

This has gone on long enough! I offer a treatise. I will stop my liberal, secular war aganst Christmas, but in exchange I want the holiday of Halloween.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 3:08pm - Posted by: darth_r8r

Trust me.if the people in this church are like Truth Encounters..i really dont wanna go..btw...WTF DOES THIS MEAN Truth "YOUR'S TRULY, O.G MISTER C. R. I. TO THA P. DON'T FORGET THE Z. THATS HOW WE DO IT BEE. YOU KNOW WHERE TO FIND ME FOR ANY QUESTIONS."...WTF DOES THAT MEN?...does your church speak in EBONICS?..is that how you roll?..ROFL...ARE YOU A GANGSTA 4 CHRIST?...HYSTERICAL

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 3:02pm - Posted by: carlrye

manup1111wrote: quit mixing religion where it doesn't belong. Halloween is and should always be held as a secular holiday ..........and.....it's just a shame that PH finds it necessary to dirty this day ......................

I find it funny you said the above. Do you not know what Halloween is desended from? Look it up and you get educated.

Now do you also celebrate Christmas? If you do maybe you should follow your own advice.

Just my humble opinion as the Tubbs likes to say.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 3:01pm - Posted by: larshinkley

"Is it because you don't want to face the reality of your sin and where it will lead you if you don't repent and give your heart to Jesus?"

No.

"You can experience the FREE gift of SALVATION!"

Are you an infomercial for Christ?

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 2:37pm - Posted by: manup1111

S.Dickey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

Go educate yourselves and quit mixing religion where it doesn't belong. Halloween is and should always be held as a secular holiday, it's just a shame that PH finds it necessary to dirty this day with thier religious beliefs. LEAVE HALLOWEEN ALONE! "Damn Christians."

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 2:28pm - Posted by: jordwinpaw

No emj03, the real reason I am upset Potter's house is putting on a Haunted House is not my fear and regret of my life of sin, but a desire to walk down my favorite street in my town and not be screamed at. Do you like to be screamed at?

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 1:10pm - Posted by: MsTeresa

all I can say is WOW !!!!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 12:52pm - Posted by: emj03

Where do I start? Well, first of all have a Happy Halloween. I'm not sure how much you will like me when I'm through writing my comments. Last year The Potter's House put on a haunted house called 'My Haunted House' that showed graphic depictions of real life, every day violence. This scared many people who attended which was the point. It was a haunted house and that's what a haunted house is for. So if you walked into those doors expecting to come out not scared in the least bit, well then you should have been at home playing board games instead of at a haunted house. You know, I wonder why people were so upset? Maybe because it was a part of their life playing out in front of them. It was gory and it was graphic. If The Potter's House had put on a haunted house with just a bunch of people dressed up in scary costumes with some fog and flashing lights no one would have said a thing. But the fact is, they showed real life in there and people don't like to face the reality that their sin or their pleasure could end them up somewhere horrible along the road. Their alcoholosim, drug abuse, and sex outside of marriage could end them up in... HELL? Let me just give you a taste of where I am and where I could be if I hadn't accepted what Jesus Christ, The Son of THE Living God did for me. I gave my life to Jesus about 5 or 6 years ago. I lived in a great Christian home with parents and a sibling who loved me. I had grown up in church, but as I got older I started doubting the Bible and decided to do my own thing. I still came to church and played the church game of 'Oh yeah, I'm a Christian at church, but when I go home I'm a completely different person.' Finally it came to a point in my life where, if I didn't give my heart and my entire life to Jesus at that point, I may have never done it. I'm not perfect. I'm a work in progress, but I know that as long as I'm in the Will of God, He will shape me and mold me in His image. Now lets look at the flip side of this. If I hadn't given my life to God, I could easily be out partying, sleeping around and possibly pregnant. I would be that girl in the abortion scene last year, scared and hurting with a looser boyfriend who told me he wouldn't ever see me again if I didn't get rid of my baby. THANK GOD he saved me from that heartache. Some of you would applaud a girl who just KILLED her innocent little baby. While I'm here telling you I didn't have to go through that pain, that I'm not an alcoholic, that I don't do drugs, you would probably think I'm a horrible person and that I should just go have a 'good time'. Yeah, it may be fun for a little while, but sin is only fun for a season. (Hebrews 11:25) But what comes after that season? Huh? Heartache, pain, regret... then where do you turn? Now let's be reasonable, what is the real reason you are getting so upset at The Potter's House for putting on a FREE haunted house. Is it because you don't want to face the reality of your sin and where it will lead you if you don't repent and give your heart to Jesus? You can experience the FREE gift of SALVATION! A chance to start over. A chance for all of your sins to be forgotten and wiped clean. A chance to make Heaven your home. And you want to know how to do it? You simply turn from your sins ask Jesus to forgive you and to come into your heart and mean it. He will make you new and whole again. Jesus loves you so much that He died a brutal and bloody death for you on the Cross of Calvary. Please, my friend, if you don't have Jesus in your heart, accept this free gift of salvation today. That is the simple message we are trying to get across to you. I guess it's only fair of me to say (and I say this unashamedly), that yes, I do go to The Potter's House. I am another PHK, who loves God with all of my heart. I helped out with the haunted house last year, and will be there again this year. I will be praying for you. Have a wonderful day. emj

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 12:47pm - Posted by: justhere

Just another brainwashing cult trying to push there crap on the rest of us! I dont believe god or Jesus intended for christians to go around scaring children! People who attend the potter house need to keep their opinions and beliefs to themselves! AND WHY CITY COUNCIL lets these people parade downtown and make our city look like a bunch a wacked out freaks is beyond me! GO TO LINFIELDS HAUNTED HOUSE! IT ACTUALLY HELPS RAISE MONEY FOR OUR FOOD BANKS!!!!!!OCT 31, 6pm TO 10 PM!!!!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 11:35am - Posted by: larshinkley

"Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned."

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 11:13am - Posted by: TRUTH ENCOUNTER

I DON'T ATTEND CHURCH, I LIVE IT. I AM HONORED TO REPRESENT THE POTTER'S HOUSE. BUT MOST OF ALL I AM GRATEFULL TO SERVE MY LORD JESUS. COME CHECK OUT THE HAUNTED HOUSE AND HAVE A TRUTH ENCOUNTER.

YOUR'S TRULY, O.G MISTER C. R. I. TO THA P. DON'T FORGET THE Z. THATS HOW WE DO IT BEE. YOU KNOW WHERE TO FIND ME FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 10:41am - Posted by: Eric

Reading all the posts has been entertaining. The Pot House is just like all the other churches. They clam to worship the God, but by actions, they worship their god the devil. Anyone who celebrates this day or the next three, are dumb!! Plain and simple!! To be a christian, you have to ask your self, "If Jesus where here on earth today, would he be celebrating these holy days?" I think not!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 10:12am - Posted by: jordwinpaw

Potters House Kid, and everyone else who cares to read,

The records we have of what Christ did that are accepted as "cannon" depict him delivering his message and quite passively inviting those who wish to follow him to do so. There was one instance where he flipped out and yelled at people who were disrespecting the Temple. (money changers, merchants) To be "Christ Like" is to follow the example of Christ. So how is yelling and harassing people being Christ Like? Potter's House more accurately patterns it's method after John The Baptist but at least he had the decency to conduct his business well outside of town. You dishonor God by behaving in such a way. Don't you want people to have an image of Christianity as a belief structure focused on love and kindness? That's what I recall being the focus of Jesus' ministry.

You said this: "i must say i am tickled pink by your outragous ridiculous comments and i'm so excited for this halloween and have you and your threats to thank for it!!
PS you are just feeding the flame for us by opposing us !! keep up the good work and hope to knock on your doors with the gospel soon"
I would really be interested to hear your idea of how this resistant person who's door you hope to knock on is going to come to Christ through this hate filled attitude of yours.
"feeding the flame by opposing us !!" No, you guys aren't a cult at all. That sounds exactly like Jesus to me. You are either a in a cult, or you are Skelletor with that kinda line.
Here is a better catch phrase for you, and Jesus, the guy you claim to emulate, said it!

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." John 13:34

I'm going to try to outline your evangelistic method as I see it.
1: Yell at and harass man on the street. He is angry and doesn't like it.
2:
3:You knock on his door, hand him a pamphlet. He recognizes you as the person that yelled at him and made him angry and he comes to know Christ.
What is Step 2? How do you get a person to go from being angry about being berated to the point of caving in and accepting? Is waterboarding involved? How many lights does he see when you are done? Is it four or Five? Does anyone who's is not a lonely, desperate, or miserable individual join this cult?
On another point, what do you offer our community? Aside from paying rent and utilities I mean.

I leave you with this.

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. --- Matthew 10:14
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 1:06am - Posted by: macgirl97128

Right on Darth_r8r!

Thu, 10/29/2009 - 10:22pm - Posted by: mzjofiji

AMEN SISTA!!! PREACH IT !! YOU ON FIIYAAAHH!!! HOLY GHOST BABY THAT IS WHAT THEY DON' LIKE !!!!

Thu, 10/29/2009 - 10:09pm - Posted by: redeemed

The definition of the word Christian according to the dictionary is, "exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike" (dictionary.com). Christlike! The Potter's House people are just being Christian to it's fullest definition. Jesus all throughout His ministry preached the gospel to all people. Most of His messages were in the form of what's called a Parable (a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. dictionary.com). If you read your Bible you will see various pointed parables that were illustrating real life situations to point out the fact that we, as humans, are sinful in nature and we need a Savior. For example, the parable of the prodigal son (found in Luke 15:11-32), is about a son who demands his inheritances from his father and when he gets it he spends it all and ends up wallowing in the mud with nothing to call his own. Then the son returns to his father's house and is welcomed with arms wide open. This is how Jesus taught, He used stories, like this one to depict real life situations to show us that we are lost and need Jesus. Does this method sound familiar ? The Potter's House is using real life situations to show people that we are a lost people and we need a Savior, just like Jesus did with the parables. The things that are in the haunted houses, are things that sadly happen everyday and the Potter's House is trying to warn people that life doesn't have to be like this. Yes, the dramas in the haunted house should disturb you, they are thing that most people don't like to talk about, but they're real. Things like this happen to people young and old everyday.
Look at the world, read the news, watch the horrible things that happen everyday. The Potter's House isn't doing something evil, or cultish. They're just using a creative way to present people with the good news of Jesus Christ. At the end of every haunted house that the Potter's House does, there is a redeeming factor. They present you with things that take place in everyday life, things you freely watch on the news every night before you go to bed, things your kids watch on TV, life's issues, and then when you're done watching a depiction of what could happen it comes to the end. This is where you're brought to reality, and a man stands before you and tells you unashamedly that Jesus died on the cross to save every one of us from our sins. It's a free gift, a free choice, and it's for anyone who wants it.
See I know a lot of people don't like the Potter's House, you don't like that they come and tell you that Jesus saved their lives and can do the same for you, you don't like that they knock at your door to take a few moments of your time to tell you that they care about the well-being of your soul. But you know what, people didn't like Jesus. The religious people didn't like Jesus. The sinners didn't like Jesus. Why didn't they like Him ? They didn't like Him because He put them face to face with their sins. And they didn't like Jesus so much, that they killed an innocent Man. They beat an innocent Man. They mocked, spit at, and crucified the Son of the Most High God. And did it cuz they didn't like Him. But all that Jesus did was tell people to repent and be saved. So you can come against the Potter's House all you want, you can tell them they're wrong, you can tell them that the tactics they use to preach the gospel are wrong, but you will not stop them from preaching the good news of the blood of Jesus that can wash you of your sins. And you can say they're wrong, but i know that what they preach is true. When they tell you that Jesus can save you, they're right. Because Jesus changed my life, and saved me from a whole world of hurt. And the haunted house that they did, showed a world of hurt and at the end they told all who would hear that Jesus can save their lives. What's wrong with doing that ? What's wrong with giving hope to a hopeless world ? That's right there's nothing wrong with that, therefore there's nothing wrong with what The Potter's House is doing.
And proud to say I am a blood bought, spirit filled, redeemed Potter's House Kid :)

Thu, 10/29/2009 - 9:19pm - Posted by: mzjofiji

TO: fishnman
FROM: PHK

did you forget to remember the greatest commission assigned to all believers in Christ?? to go into all the world and preach the gospel so that those who do not know him will be saved?? that is a direct command from Jesus himself!! that means get off the couch and GO and PREACH the GOSPEL!!!
please fishnman tell me how can that be misled and how are we scaring people into devotion to God when it's a free event that clearly states it's haunted which means not for children!! duh!! and i think you need to read the rest of your bible or actually get one that doesn't just tell you how to prosper or get rich!! like most doctrines do these days! and we are not a plague .. oh but if we were then we were sent from GOD to punish your sinful harded hearts!!! hello the plauges were released upon the egyptians because their pharoh refused to let God's people go and with every plague he sent he also sent moses to say "hey this can stop anytime just let my people go!" God doesn't get rid of hardship because it's contridctual to other beliefs or because it isn't politically correct!

by the way jesus was arrested, falsely accused, and cruxified by the pharasese (religious fakers)
Paul the apostle was thrown in jail and beated, and eventually killed for preaching the gospel of Christ bluntly and Truthfully!!! not softly and unoffensively if that were the case why did jesus and paul die!???

also for those parents who feel its too harsh: it's isn't for kids ... yes if you say your 13 we will take your word for it we trust you to be honest and if you aren't and you get in then it's no fault of ours but your childs for lying!
this is meant to be scary ,,,,,, it's HALLOWEEN!!!!
did you forget what halloween used to be for>?? look it up it wasn't a cute holiday when it started!!!

PHK

Thu, 10/29/2009 - 8:16pm - Posted by: JulieC

people need to be aware of these problems but kids shouldn't be exposed to it too harshly.

Thu, 10/29/2009 - 7:23pm - Posted by: AliceTwists

hat's interesting way to do it.

Thu, 10/29/2009 - 7:40pm - Posted by: jrice313

It seems the most common cause of
the protestors is summed up in this
quote from the article:

"Advertising for the event does not
describe what the "haunted house"
experience actually entails."

...You know a haunted house that does?

----------------------------------------------------

To quote "papaj":

"In 2001, Charisma News reported that a
large number of pastors, approx 100, left
the church after a falling out with its founder,
Wayman Mitchell. "Some of the pastors who
broke ranks recently are apparently upset
by the direction CFM appears to be headed.
There are also claims that Mitchell - whose
movement has long been dogged by criticism
that it is controlling, intimidating and manipulative
- routinely uses foul language and derogatory
remarks in the pulpit."(Charisma News)."

Wait, what? "There are also claims that
Mitchell... routinely uses foul language
and derogatory remarks in the pulpit"?

Hmm... Permit me to remind you that
there are also claims that Barack Obama
is actually Muslim. Thus, by your logic,
I should believe those too? Or does it
only work one way?

In conclusion Sir, it is not necessarily
true that:
"Where there's smoke there's fire."
No, not always is there fire.
Sometimes there are just potheads.

Thu, 10/29/2009 - 7:03pm - Posted by: fishnman

I also do not attend this church and I'll tell ya I never will. Just the actions I have seen of their congregation has shown me that they are a misdirected and uneducated bunch.

If you need proof, re-read the letter posted by the "PHK". Wow what an illiterate rant. Anyone who feels it is ok to mislead and try and scare devotion to God is a plain idiot. "By our works shall they know us" Sound familiar? By the works of the Potters House they appear to be one of the plagues. Perhaps its time for God to rid us of this plague as well.